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I have tried to bite my tongue on the Kim Davis issue, but I feel led to expound on it tonight.  For those of you who are not aware of who Kim is, she is a county clerk in KY, who has been refusing to issue a marriage license to homosexual couples. I see non-Christian articles regarding her and how she is to obey the law of the land and how she is acting out in lawlessness. Then I see post from Christians saying she is brave and doing the right thing by not giving out a marriage license. So what does the Bible really say about this topic?

Several people in the bible worked for the government. Not only did they work for the Babylonians, Persians, and Egyptians, but also the Romans. Daniel was given the Babylonian name Belteshazzar, while his companions are given the Babylonian names Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. These are names of the Babylonian gods such as Nebo the moon god, and Baal. After Daniel interprets a dream, this happens. . .

“Then Belshazzar gave orders, and they clothed Daniel with purple and put a necklace of gold around his neck, and issued a proclamation concerning him that he now had authority as the third ruler in the kingdom.” Daniel 5:29.

Daniel and the Hebrew boys obeyed all the orders under the Persian rulers until it involved them worshiping another god. If the law of the land said to issue a license for homosexuals, they would have obeyed. If it was to bake a cake for a wedding, they would have obeyed. When food that was more than likely sacrificed to idols was set before Daniel, he went and ASKED PERMISSION to eat vegetables. He did not refuse to eat the food set before him. Let’s look at that.

“But Daniel made up his mind that he would not defile himself with the king’s choice food or with the wine which he drank; so he sought permission from the commander of the officials that he might not defile himself.” Daniel 1:8 NASB. And verse nine says that G-D GRANTED HIM FAVOR.

Same goes for Joseph, “Moreover, Pharaoh said to Joseph, “Though I am Pharaoh, yet without your permission, no one shall raise his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.” Then Pharaoh named Joseph Zaphenath-paneah; and he gave him Asenath, the daughter of Potiphera priest of On, as his wife. And Joseph went forth over the land of Egypt.” Genesis 41:44-45 NASB.

Priest of On? On, was the city of the sun god worship Re. Joseph did not say, “I cannot take this woman to wife.” He would not have insulted the Pharaoh.

Joseph, Daniel, and the Hebrew boys did not refuse to take the new names of these gods, nor did they refuse to wear their clothing and jewelry and Joseph did not refuse the wife given to him.

“Dina d’malchuta dina,”  means the law of the land is the law [and must be obeyed], is a phrase repeated numerous times in the Talmud (Jewish law and writings). This phrase is attributed to the sage Samuel. According to Samuel, there is no question that a Jew must obey the laws of the land in which he/she resides unless that law directly informed the people to worship idols or other gods.

Romans 13 says this, “Everyone is to obey the governing authorities. For there is no authority that is not from God, and the existing authorities have been placed where they are by God.  Therefore, whoever resists the authorities is resisting what God has instituted; AND THOSE WHO RESIST WILL BRING JUDGMENT ON THEMSELVES. 13:1-2 CJB. Perhaps you do not think God placed Obama in office? The bible in multiple scriptures declares that He does set up rulers. Let’s look at that.

“He removes kings and establishes kings; He gives wisdom to wise men And knowledge to men of understanding.” Daniel 2:21 NASB.

“I will gather together all the armies of the north under King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, whom I have appointed as my deputy (servant). I will bring them all against this land and its people and against the surrounding nations. I will completely destroy you and make you an object of horror and contempt and a ruin forever.” Jeremiah 25:9 NLT. We should fear God more than the men. So what else does scripture say about this topic?

We do see a different circumstance in Acts 4, but it involves the Religious rulers and not the Roman government. Let’s read that.  “And when they had summoned them (Peter & John), they (Elders, Scribes, and High Priest) commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus/ Yeshua.  But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge; for we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard.” Acts 4:18-20 NASB.

And again we see this type of answer from the apostles but it is directed at church leadership.

“When they had brought them, they stood them before the Council. The high priest questioned them, saying, “We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.”  But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.” Acts 5:27-29 NASB.

However, even greater than this is what happened after Naaman was healed of leprosy and if these verses don’t convince you that Kim Davis needs to issue a marriage license, I don’t know what will.

 Then, with his whole retinue, he returned to the man of God, went and stood before him, and said, “Well, I’ve learned that there is no God in all the earth except in Isra’el; therefore, please accept a present from your servant.”  But Elisha answered, “As Adonai lives, before whom I stand, I will not accept it.” And despite his urging him to take it, he refused So Na‘aman said, “If you won’t take it, then please let your servant be given as much earth as two mules can carry; because from now on, your servant will offer neither burnt offerings nor sacrifices to other gods, but only to Adonai. Except this, and may Adonai forgive your servant for it: when my master goes into the temple of Rimmon to worship there, and he leans on my hand, and I bow down in the temple of Rimmon — when I bow down, may Adonai forgive your servant for this.” Elisha said to him, “Go in peace.”2nd Kings 5:15-19 CJB.

Na’aman admits to the mightiest prophet of his day that Adonai was the only God, but that when his master (Ruler of the land) bowed down to Rimmon, forgive me he said because my heart will not be towards this god, but Yahweh. The voice of God in that day was the mouth of the prophets and you see what this great prophet Elisha said concerning this, “GO IN PEACE”… He didn’t say you shall disobey your master and ruler and not bow down when he leans on you and takes you into the temple of HIS GOD. Why? Because the man had just confessed with his heart that there was no other God but Adonai.

Kim may be convicted not to sign her name on something, but signing her name is not signing her heart.

I personally have broken the law of the land so I am not trying to judge this lady, but just show some verses for clarification on the matter. Hope this helps. As always, we need to pray over our nation and pray for Kim. At least she is willing to stand for something she believes in regardless of what it may cost her.

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  1. Jochebed, Moses’s mother, didn’t obey the Pharoh who ordered all of the Hebrew males to be killed in Exodus. That was the “law of the land”, correct? Yet she did not submit her son to be killed because it was the “law of the land”. So what are you views on that, exactly?

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    1. LA, thank you for sharing. It is a very complex matter. My view on that is that she broke the law. As my sister said, “The cops who protect the KKK at rallies are not doing it because they love the KKK. It’s their job. I don’t believe in abortion so I don’t work at planned parenthood.” The other thing is a man made marriage license is just that.

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  2. I agree with you on this one, Bonnie. If Kim doesn’t want to sign homo marriage licenses, she needs to find another line of work. I think more moral conundrums are going to present themselves as the general public becomes more wicked. The line between upstanding citizen and common criminal is growing more blurry all the time, as our society is moving further away from The Plumbline (Jesus) with each succeeding generation.

    As for Jocebed, I think it could be YHVH was leading her to preserve a chosen man of God, even though he was just an infant at the time. It was a special case. Also, she did not overtly disobey or challenge the authorities. She put the baby in basket and hid him in the reeds of the Nile river. I think she had no idea what would happen to him, but had young Miriam keeping watch. Maybe she planned to sneak back to nurse him and keep him alive as long as she could, But certainly God knew the Egyptian princess would be coming along that way on that day!

    The importance here for us is that we do our best to listen to God and do what He says. If He wanted Kim in jail, then she is right where she needs to be. (?) But I see our war on unrighteousness as already won by the other side. All we can do is preserve ourselves and our families the best that we can, and keep spreading the Good News when and where the Lord opens a door.

    If we read the back of The Book we will see that things look very grim for the home team right before The End. We need to fasten our seatbelts because we are in the twilight beginning of a very bumpy night!

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    1. Thanks Charlie for these wise words and for answering the question presented by LA with more wisdom and prose than I could find at the time. I agree, fasten the seat belts and get ready for the ride!

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  3. ThanKS Bonnie .Having a hard time about the KY thing..I was thinking yes she needs to do her job or step down.So confused about the whole gay thing .

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  4. Shalom Bonnie. I saw a link to your blog on Peter Rambo’s site. When I saw the post about this lady Kim, I thought I should reply … thinking that maybe we are missing something. One discussion could be if we are supposed to obey the “law of the land” at all times. But in this situation, I believe that is a topic for a different discussion. In other words, I think too many people have thrown up their hands and accepted this ruling by the Supreme Court as the law of the land. There is nowhere in the constitution that gives the Supreme Court any jurisdiction over matters that pertain to the state. I am not a constitutional “scholar” … but it is pretty easy reading. To make it clear, the Supreme Court created a “law” that every jurisdiction in the land is supposed to follow. They have no such “legal” authority to do so. Similar to when people say that there is separation of church and state, it has become accepted … but it is not a law. It is time for governors and other magistrates to stand up and say “No … you do not have jurisdiction in my state/county/etc.” Any matters pertaining to the federal government, that are not specifically spelled out in the constitution, they do not apply … they have no jurisdiction … they belong to the states. I remember reading a short post where someone asked if it was legal for a state to succeed from the Union. The answer given was that according to the law, the constitution, of course it was. but according to the Civil War, it wasn’t. In closing, I don’t want us to accept things as “law”, that are not. Nor do I want us neglect things that are law, and act as if they aren’t. Very similar to how we try to walk out our faith. Shalom to your hearts and home, Tom

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  5. Shalom Tom! Thanks for responding to this blog and for sharing your heart. I too think we have thrown up our hands on many issues. In saying that, I also did some research on the history and origin of marriage license and what I found was intriguing. By the 1500’s if you did not get married in the catholic church your marriage was not valid…In biblical times the father picked out a bride for his son. There would be a great feast and celebration for a week and yes vows. Of course you know this is just like our Abba Father picked out a bride for His Son Yeshua. In Genesis 24:67 we read, “Isaac brought Rebekah into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, and he loved her.”
    In our constitution we never required a clerk to issue us a marriage license to make it legal until the issue with race sprang forth. “The American colonies officially required marriages to be registered, but until the mid-19th century, state supreme courts routinely ruled that public cohabitation was sufficient evidence of a valid marriage. By the later part of that century, however, the United States began to nullify common-law marriages and exert more control over who was allowed to marry.

    By the 1920s, 38 states prohibited whites from marrying blacks, “mulattos,” Japanese, Chinese, Indians, “Mongolians,” “Malays” or Filipinos.”

    When a pagan government mixes issues that go against our faith I call it Baal worship. We used to have the 10 commandments on the walls of our school houses but we taught evolution in our classrooms and other things that go against Yahweh’s word. Our government has laws in effect that allow the unborn to be murdered. It’s a pagan government IMO… But you are so right on about the separation of church and state! I am no Constitutional scholar either….Tom my husband used to be a police officer and he swore to protect the land but when the KKK came to town he was made to patrol and keep peace at their meeting and protect their protest in front of the court house. My husband does not support the KKK but due to his job he had to go and stand watch at their rally. I think the judges in Sodom were corrupt and I explain some of the issues you are bringing forth in another blog here called “The Sin of Sodom and also “Kim Davis and Pork Rinds.”

    I’m really open to hearing all sides and believe that talking about it and expressing our beliefs is important. I am weighing what you wrote above. Shalom to your hearts and home as well! Bonnie

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    1. Shalom Bonnie. Beautiful … well thought out and well written. The main point that I was trying to make was that people were accepting this Supreme Court ruling as law, and it is not. Hardly anyone will stand up against it, so it will become the norm, but there is no law that says a sodomite can marry a sodomite.

      Concerning marriage licenses, I am totally opposed to them. If I had to do it over again, I would not have gotten one 25 years ago when we were married. I have actually performed weddings without the couple using one. By definition, a license is, in this case, governmental permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal. I do not see why anyone needs to enter in to a contract with the state, to do something that YHWH has called them to do … something that HE ordained. Now … I better finish packing as we are headed to rejoice in the Feast!!! Shalom to your hearts and home, Tom

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  6. Wow! Thank you for confirming what I felt in my spirit about the marriage license.
    Your right about the people accepting this as law and I’m thankful for your comments hopefully many who stop by will read and gain more understanding.
    Have a joyful Sukkot and blessing on you and yours !!!

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